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There is something seriously wrong with American politics.
You might say we knew that before, but please go and read [livejournal.com profile] amokk's entry about the Republican candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives for his area here.
I'm still waiting for somebody to jump out and yell "April's Fool".

Date: 2004-10-22 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowycat.livejournal.com
Yes...~sigh~ Unfortunately I live in the same state...though not in her area. I had heard about this guy. It really makes you cringe.

Date: 2004-10-22 08:00 pm (UTC)
amokk: (asuka red dress)
From: [personal profile] amokk
I hadn't heard until I went looking last night after a post in [livejournal.com profile] nashvillians about it. Otherwise I could have went and not had a clue and maybe even voted for this guy. Scary.

We've gotten mail flyers from all the other candidates for the other positions, I wonder why neither of these have sent anything...

Date: 2004-10-22 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowycat.livejournal.com
As I recall, someone did an editorial piece on this guy in the Tennessean, basically wondering what the Republicans were thinking when they backed him. I think the conclusion was that they weren't. They were in such a hurry to try to grab the seat that they grabbed without finding out what this guy stood for. Now they regret it...at least I hope they do.

Date: 2004-10-22 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dream-labyrinth.livejournal.com
I sure hope they regret it. I keep wondering why they backed him in the first place.

Date: 2004-10-22 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowycat.livejournal.com
They didn't want the Democrat to run unopposed.

Date: 2004-10-22 08:36 pm (UTC)
amokk: (asuka red dress)
From: [personal profile] amokk
It says they tried to run a last-minute candidate at the convention but they didn't get enough votes for the other guy.

So they do regret it.

Next cycle if this is the situation again, I'm so going to run as a Republican.

Date: 2004-10-22 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tuva.livejournal.com
What the fuck is the matter with his brains?

If he had properly followed his own thinking, he should not have been born! Idiot!

How the heck can he be running? How could someone vote for a guy like that? Makes me even more sure that American politics is mad!

Date: 2004-10-22 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dream-labyrinth.livejournal.com
For some reason, people like that never apply their views to their own person.
Like many Nazi leaders were not tall, blond and blue-eyed at all, and I think Goebbels was part Jewish, but it didn't stop them from saying how the good people look like and that the Jews are evil.

Date: 2004-10-22 08:07 pm (UTC)
amokk: (asuka red dress)
From: [personal profile] amokk
You mean like Hitler with black hair? His grandmother was Jewish, and since that's a matrilineal thing...

Date: 2004-10-22 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tuva.livejournal.com
Yeah, I know! Hitler himself was "dark" and short...

It's also rather weird, 'cause Jews are not a race, it's a religious group. Anyone can be a jew, even an Aryan, but that just explains how sick Hitlers theories were...

Date: 2004-10-22 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dream-labyrinth.livejournal.com
Well, I think if you convert to Judaism, you don't really become a Jew. You're still somewhat different. But I can't really tell you exactly.

Date: 2004-10-22 08:04 pm (UTC)
amokk: (asuka yellow dress medium)
From: [personal profile] amokk
Anyone can run, that's the beauty and horror of American politics. Anyone can think whatever they want, as well.

However, I honestly don't see how he connects his son's suicide with promoting Eugenics as a solution. Wouldn't the fact he was weak and commited suicide mean he wasn't fit? I just don't see the logic.

People will vote for the same reason he didn't win the last time: they just see that little R and don't want to vote for a Democrat. Like the article said, he slid in under radar and no one knew his politics really, they just saw that R.

Date: 2004-10-22 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dream-labyrinth.livejournal.com
I can see that it can be good that everybody can run (essentially, they can in Germany, they just need a certain number of support signatures beforehand). What I don't understand is that the party allows him to use their name.

Date: 2004-10-22 08:35 pm (UTC)
amokk: (asuka red dress)
From: [personal profile] amokk
Not much they can really do about it. He could have run as a Libertarian, a Green, or whatever other party name he wanted to make up. There's no rules or laws saying you can only run for the party you're a part of, nor that the party has any real say in the matter.

What are they going to do, anyway? How do you say someone isn't really a member of X political party? People don't have to pay dues to say they're a Republican or Democrat or whatever.

Germany has stricter laws about politics. I'm sure the Americans wrote those in as they were rebuilding it after we broke it. ;)

American politics is much more Wild West than any other country, I think.

Date: 2004-10-22 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tuva.livejournal.com
American politics is much more Wild West than any other country, I think.

*nods* The american election makes Norway's look like a friendly competition between kids... :p

Date: 2004-10-22 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dream-labyrinth.livejournal.com
Is there an election going on in Norway right now??

Date: 2004-10-22 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonthedull.livejournal.com
It's in part because the parties on a national scale are not all powerfull. Each state has its own parties because the national candidate needs to get on the ballet of each state. Not to mention that the individual states have to elect their representitives to the House and to the Senete. There is also lots of political apathy. As a result someone who joins one of the local or state level parties can, if they have enough backers get themselves to be the candidate if the timing is right.

In my opinion much of the problems in the political system, (electoral college is a good example) are issues regarding the balance of states rights and federal power.

Date: 2004-10-22 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tuva.livejournal.com
I guess it's okay with the thinking part of it, some weird theories (not this one) might even seem okay in theory, but still, if you're actually trying to get you sick therories into the society... that's just madness!

Yeah, that's another problem with the politics in the USA, - only two parties. If you hate the democrats enough, you'll vote for the republicans just to stop the others from winning...

Date: 2004-10-22 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonthedull.livejournal.com
I'm so proud to live in the USA right now :-/ Part of me things that during our Civil War, we in the north should have just let the southern states leave the union.

Date: 2004-10-22 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonthedull.livejournal.com
I meant to say "thinks" not "things." I have no idea why I always mistype thinks as things.

Date: 2004-10-22 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dream-labyrinth.livejournal.com
I do the same thing, so don't worry.
But there are enough morons in the Union, too. It's not all Confederates.

Date: 2004-10-22 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonthedull.livejournal.com
And I think that a good percentage of the morons come to my library. :-)

Actually, a part of my family came over here in 1644 from Holland, I know for fact that one or two, of my really distant ancestors had some slaves and I'm sure they played part in oppressing the Native Americans (as I suppose did everyone back then) so I really shouldn't make fun of the South.

Date: 2004-10-22 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dream-labyrinth.livejournal.com
Ah, the difficult question of whether or not we are allowed to say something about things we perceive as wrong today, if our ancestors did the same, or worse things. Personally, if in the South somebody like this person can run for an office, there is no reason not to make fun of the south. It is of course a generalization, but we know it is.

Date: 2004-10-22 08:07 pm (UTC)
amokk: (asuka red dress)
From: [personal profile] amokk
Nah, then I would have had to have a passport and get new citizenship when I moved down here. ;)


It's not like the guy has a real chance, he's running against the incumbent, who the last cycle had no opposition at all until this guy ran as Independant. The only reason he will get more votes is people who just automatically vote Republican when they're unsure of a race.

Date: 2004-10-22 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonthedull.livejournal.com
Probably not... if the war had been put off and the South prepared for it, by more industrilization and stronger ties to European nations, you folk might well have won the war. :-)

Date: 2004-10-22 08:09 pm (UTC)
amokk: (asuka red dress)
From: [personal profile] amokk
There's nothing wrong with our politics. We have the freedom so that anyone can run, with whatever views they have and want to promote.

I actually do support his right to say and believe in Eugenics. I don't have to like it, though.

But yeah, reading it I was going "is this a joke article? Are they lying to make this guy look this bad or something? They can't be serious... but it's the Tennessean, so it's real, and if they print lies it's libel and they're not that stupid, oh. my. god."

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